Dear Saidjalol aka, please tell something about yourself for our reader. What did happen that you, a serviceman of the State Committee for Security (SCS) of the USSR with the beginning of a civil war went over to the UTO side?
I, Siyahakov Saidjalol Shashevich, was born on May 30th, 1954, in the peasant family, in Bolshevik village of Qubodiyon district. I finished school in that village.
I had worked for some years (1976-1979) in the Komsomol system and reached the post of the head of the organization department. From 1979 to 1980 I was a listener of one-year courses of the High School of the USSR SCS in Belarusian Minsk. Upon its graduation (1980), I had been appointed as a senior authorized operative of Farhor district, department of the SCS Office on Kulob region. In 1984,1 was moved to the 5thdepartment of the SCS Office in Kulob region, where I worked until 1988. Then, from 1988 to 1992 I worked as a senior authorized inspector of the Vanj district department of the SCS Office on GBAO and in December of 1992.1 had been appointed as a senior authorized inspector of Jilikul district department of the SCS Office in Khatlon region. However, due to the outbreak of the civil war in the south of the country, is under the spiritual and psychological influence of the IRPT propagandists and tribesmen (natives of the Vakhyo area) I joined the UTO and crossing the state border, fled to the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan (IRA).
You were a security officer, did the UTO leadership trust you?
No. Despite the fact that I was joined the UTO leadership on the other side of the border and supplied them with interesting information about the security agencies, renaissances for a long time avoided me, as an "SCS serviceman" and had deeply investigated me.
After the formation of the Security Organization for the Migrants of the Islamic Renaissance of Tajikistan (SOMIRT-SAMNIT), Jumabeki Salom (nickname "Kholid", approximately born in 1958-1960, resident of Pildon village of the Lakhsh district, he currently resides with his family in the Kyrgyz Republic) had been appointed as the head of the SOMIRT, as well as I and Sultoni Hamad, former worker of the SCS of the Republic of Tajikistan - as his deputies.
Who was "Kholid" and why was he namely appointed as the head of SOMIRT?
"KholicT (Jumabeki Salom) was one of the trusted person and right hand of Said Abdullohi Nuri and that's why he had been appointed as the head of SOMIRT or in other words "security minister". In fact, he never worked in security bodies.
Is it possible to appoint a person far away from the specialty as the head? How did other renaissances accept it? Was it not dangerous for themselves?
There was no democracy that "will you accept or not?" Everything was as the IRPT leadership said. Because of that "Kholid" had not a special knowledge of security and had tortured all. He carefully checked almost all migrant refugees. He could recognize anyone as "SCS agent" and pass his sentence. Among the renaissances, there were the people, who expressed their readiness to kill him.
If the head of SOMIRT had no special knowledge and experience, then who and how conducted his works and performed other responsibilities?
On all issues, in particular on the principles of work, office-work, personnel appointments, export and import of food products, maintaining contacts with the governments of Islamic states, terrorist organizations and movements, arms delivery to the IRPT and etc. were instructed by Iranian instructors.
Yes, the Iranians. In 1992 on the territory of the Afghanistan the special services of the Islamic Republic of Iran created an opposition government from among the IRPT leadership and took it under full control. As a result, they turned the political party into a terrorist organization.
I was surprised by one. The war has just begun in Tajikistan, the people had no opportunity to escape or take with them at least some household utensils. But, Iranians as "fortune tellers" even before the period of flight of Tajik refugees to Afghanistan, on the territory of this state had already created organizations under the guise of protecting the rights of the "oppressed" and built tent camps for Tajik refugees. The simple people thanked the Iranian brothers for their "noble" deed, saying that there are still people who care about us. But, not knowing about that
However, as I was one of the cadres of the powerful USSR SCS at that time, immediately realized that all troubles, which happened with the Tajik people had been planned in advance by the Iranian special services. The forced resettlement of the Tajik people, choice of place of residence in Afghanistan, the study in the religious schools of Islamic states and their use against Tajikistan - were separate items of the great plan of the special services of Iran.
Which proofs do you have for such charges?
Proof. I have thousands of proofs. For example, under the guise of an employee of the international organization "Hiloli Ahmar" worked an Iranian named "Murodi", who was completely familiar with the methods of work of security agencies. As much as he did not hide his connection with the intelligence agencies in front of his entourage, I felt that he was a special services officer. Because his behavior and manner of talking were like to a military man. He showed a special interest in all important issues, in particular: the identity of suspicious persons; military-political and economic situation in the Republic of Tajikistan; field commanders of the people's front and UTO (IRPT). For completeness of the information, he sometimes through me specified individual moments. In order to enter into trust, he even tried to talk in the dialect of migrants. This is inherent only to the security servicemen! This is taught.
Once, our head "Kholid" said me that Mr. Murodi carefully polls me and the other leaders of the IRPT to get information about military power, brave people, suicide bombers, etc., writes on a notebook, analyzes them at night and sends them to his Center.
For what purposes or in the adoption of what decisions were used these information, which according to You were sent to the "Center" by Mr. Murodi?
Judge for yourself. What relation has the organization "Hiloli Ahmar", involving in providing low-income families and refugees with food, medicines, etc., with suicide bombers and military-political situation?? I would like to note that it was named the conclusion and decision of the Iranian secret services that one of the insolent and brutal field commanders of the IRPT during the civil war Rizvon Sadirov was elected "Emir" for his special courage and evil deeds and was sent to the Republic of Tajikistan. If you remember, Rizvon arriving in Garm, hung the flag of the "Islamic Republic of Garm". The creation of an Islamic state and the gradual introduction of the ideology of "Shiism" into the minds of people was a sacred task of Iran, which was implemented by its special services. Mr. Murodi through Davlat Usmon (one of the IRPT leaders, former Deputy Prime Minister of the Republic of Tatarstan on a 30% quota), who supervised and controlled the front of the "Mujahideen of the Garm and Hoit", transferred significant amounts of money in US dollars to a group of Rasht Valley commanders.
Who gave this money and how they were transferred?
The Iranians did not spare money and gave a lot. Once in 1993 - 1994 years Eshoni Sayidakobir (born 1951-1952, a native of the Panj district, one of the influential persons of the IRPT and a trusted man of S.A. Nuri) was secretly sent to Tajikistan for transferring money. I think, he was detained by security agencies of the country and sent back to Afghanistan. As upon his return, he looked depressed. I, as a security officer (I mean the SOMIRT-SAMNIT), interrogated him. He told me "brother Saildjalol, let it remain between us, if to be honest, we are to blame for everything ourselves, now having become dependent on the Iranians and Pashtuns, we wander on a foreign land. I went to Tajikistan, it hurt me so much. I thought not to come and to die on my land. But what can I do, the self-guilty, there is no other way". Having said these words, he cried.
In that period, in the absence of mobile communication, how were negotiated the holding of meetings in the Republic of Tajikistan?
We already had such thing. As I mentioned, the Iranians provided all the IRPT leaders with modern means of communication. These means were managed by Saidahmad Nadjmiddinov (former Deputy Minister of Communications of the Republic of Tajikistan on a 30% quota), thanks to them, we (the whole SOMIRT and IRPT leadership) contacted from Afghanistan with the mujahideen of the IRPT in Tajikistan, in particular with Rizvon Sadirov, Sh. Iskandarov, Mahmadruzi Iskandarov and others.
Had the UTO leadership cooperation with the Iranian special services only at the level of consultations and principles of leadership? In your opinion, what was the aim of supporting and sending the militants and other UTO personalities to Tajikistan?
The UTO leadership on all issues had consulted with Mr. Murodi and asked him for money and military equipment for the creation of a military guard on the territory of Kunduz city. Thus, the military battalion "Handaq" under the command of M. Ziyoyev (Jaga) and H. Qalandarov and consisting of 250 fighters was the first created military guard. Later, its strength exceeded 500 fighters. As you already understood, it is not a consultation, but a real result.
Here I would like to note that the whole front of the opposition, including the wing of the "Panj fighters" was namely subordinate to Mavlavi Mahmadali Panji, who was later appointed as a chairman of the Tajik refugees in Afghanistan.
Did you yourself meet with Mr. Murodi or other representatives of the special services of Iran at that time, or all of these are your assumptions?
When I was deputy head of SOMIRT -SAMNIT, "Kholid" and Sultoni Hamad repeatedly asked me to meet with Murodi and agree with his words. S. Hamad constantly repeated that "if you agree to cooperate with Mr. Murodi, you will walk over dollars...". Firstly, Murodi wanted all information related to the political, social and military situation of refugees to be presented to him first and then realized. Secondly, he wanted me to be seconded to Iran for six months courses. But, I did not agree with these proposals and I have never been in Iran. So, as I well knew that the special services would take advantage of this, they would surely attract me to an unofficial cooperation as an agent.
That is, you - representatives of the SOMIRT also worked under the subordination of the foreign special services?
Yes, it was so. Because, Jumabeki Salom and Sultoni Hamad have passed 2- month, 6-month and short-term courses in Iran several times. After the return, their financial and economic situation was improved and gained a lot of privileges from the Mr. Murodi.
In addition, in a week almost 4 time Sultoni Hamad has developed on separate documents the schemes and secret plans, plans for involvement, political situation of the Republic of Tajikistan and other USSR states, as well as other security information, and we and him went to Murodi by car in the dark night and offered them to him. He asked me to sit in the car and not leave it.
Have the UTO prominent figures and leaders been involved in the short-term and long-term courses, which you have mentioned?
This procedure was mandatory. Thus, other IRPT prominent figures, such as S.A. Nuri, M.Himmatzoda, A.Turajonzoda, Davlat Usmon, Domullo Abdughaffori 'Tank", Amriddin Tabarov (Mullo Amriddin), Domullo Mahmadrasuli Saadi from Jilikul, Eshoni Davlatkhuja native of Panj, Eshoni Davlatkhuja from Qumsangir, Gadoev Mirzonazar Ubaydovich, Gadoev Mazhariddin Ubaydovich, Siyarov Nusratullo Nodirshoevich, and others were constantly to Iran and passed special courses. All this was supervised by the Mr. Murodi. He organized his wide-ranging agency from among of the IRPT leaders and the average level and led it.
Can you give more details about those whose names you mentioned, because some of them are unclear to the broader audience?
Of course, Domullo Abdughaffori //Tank,/ (from the "South" site of Dushanbe) was famous for his many cruelties. He spared no one and killed people in various ways. Around the spring of 1993 in the city of Tolikan, they found a tattoo of Lenin on the body of the Tajik migrant who was imprisoned during the Soviet era. Domullo Abdughaffor killed this poor man with a brutal assassination, pouring hot water into his mouth and body;
- Amriddin Tabarov (Mullo Amriddin) was also one of the reliable figures of S.A. Nuri. In some issues, he had expressed his opinion freely. He was not afraid no one, was silent by nature and dangerous. He had a close relationship with Mr. Murodi and later with his instruction created a group named "Ansarullah" and sent it to Pakistan. It is necessary to know that "Ansarullah" is an integral part of the IRPT. They are the children of one parent;
- Domullo Mahmadrasuli Saadi (native of Jilikul) - was a unique IRPT fighter and strategist. He had strong relations with other Afghan and Pakistani field commanders and passed paratroopers school;
- Eshoni Davlatkhuja native of Panj - was born around 1961-1965. His father was the former chairman of the Panj district. After passing the 6-month courses in Iran, he became SOMIRT the member on the recommendation and order of Mr. Murodi and the IRPT. He was familiar with the methods and tactics of working with agents, operational cases, and special events. Despite the fact that he passed the 6-month courses, did not have sufficient impression in the direction of security. He was unimaginative.
- Eshoni Davlatkhuja from Qumsangir - was one of the educated mullahs. He took part in the killing of many people and was very vigilant by nature. He was appointed a minister of propaganda in the UTO exiled Government in Afghanistan.
- Domullo Muhammadi from Qumsangir - was one of the IRPT influential people and a religious scholar. He mastered the oratory and could easily attract the interlocutor to himself in talks. Once there was even a dispute, in the matter of appointing the general leader of UTO - S. A Nuri or Domullo Muhammadi from Qumsangir. Only because of Domullo Muhammadi was from "Hoit" and not from //Vakhyo,/ had not been elected general leader.
- Head of mawlawis of the Panj district, an Uzbek, whose name and surname I can not recall. He was one of the bloodthirsty mujahids. He promised that 'Tor distribution of IRPT power, he is ready to drown in blood Tajikistan and divide it into parts";
- Sayidjalol (/ do not remember his surname) was from the village of Leninabad of Shahritus district. In 1994-1995, he left the group "Ali bespalit" and joined the Domullo Mahmadrasuli Saadi from Jilikul. After the establishment of peace, he entered the structure of the Border Guards on a 30% quota and worked in one of the military units of the Sughd region. He had acted directly under the leadership of Mr. Murodi. His son was killed in Syria wars. He is currently in Russia;
- Mahmadalii Rais from the village of Leninobod of the Shahrituz district was the IRPT active member and one of the murids of S.A. Nuri. He had contact with Mr. Murodi and other Iran citizens. He had passed long-term courses in Iran. After the establishment of peace, under the pretext of "road worker," he went to Shibirgan city of Afghanistan.
- Isoev Sulton (qori Sulton) - was born in 1959-60, a former resident of Qairma village of Qubodiyon district. He was one of the UTO and IRPT active members. He currently works in the UN and lives in Switzerland. He is considered one of the IRPT richest members and finances the destructive and anti-Tajikistan actions of the IRPT abroad. His children are graduated higher education institutions of Europe.
- Mustafa renaissances - was born in around of 1964-65, a resident of Turkmaniston mahalla of the Vakhsh district. He was one of the "executioners" of the "Turkmenistan" bathhouse and directed the direction of special military operations in the UTO structure. Together with his group he cruelly killed the USSR hero and Great Patriotic War participant Qosim Khaidarov for refusing to join the mujahids.
- Were there people in Afghanistan who wanted to warn migrants and the IRPT leadership about the probability of delusion? How did the settled Tajiks treat the SOMIRT activities?
It should be noted that the IRPT made a lot of efforts to overthrow the Government of the Republic of Tajikistan and introduce a system of Islamic governance in Tajikistan.
To achieve this goal, they called upon the relatives of Emir Alimkhan, a manga emir of Turkic origin who lived in Afghanistan, to join them in this "jihad" and fight against the kuffar.
Once, several people from the families of Emir Alimkhan, Ibrohimbek Lakay basmach and a group of Tajik refugees of the times of revolution, came to the IRPT leadership and urged them "to go to Tajikistan, achieve peace, do not leave your motherland... We have already lived in Afghanistan for 80 years, but still we have been referred to "refugees", do not let this happen to you". Henceforth, when these people appeared the IRPT representatives and servants of Mr. Murodi expelled them. They did not allow their instructions to take place among migrants.
As it is known, the activity and mission of the International organization "Hiloli Ahmar" is the provision of humanitarian assistance to people in need, and the residence of this organization is in Europe. But you mentioned that the special service of Iran acted under the guise of this organization, using its name. What other acts did this special service perform in relation to Tajikistan?
It is necessary to note that the international and real organization "Hiloli Ahmar" had its own residence in the city of Mazari Sharif, and had nothing to do with the Iranian organization of the same name, which is located in the city of Toliqon of Afghanistan. The main office of the "Hiloli Ahmar" of Iran was located in Toliqon city and representatives of this "organization" often visited the camps of Tajik migrants in other cities and districts (Khonoobod, Qunduz). The workers of the Iranian "Hiloli Ahmar" were afraid of meeting with representatives of the real organization of the "Hirori Ahmar". They were always escaped from them.
Mr. Murodi had always been in contact with the Pakistani Taliban. Through the capabilities of his Centre, he sent a certain number of Tajik migrants for religious and sabotage training to the madrassa "Ibitobod", located on the border of Kashmir and the cities of Islamabad and Karachi of Pakistan. One of the teachers of the madrasa was "Arab-Bashir", who had constant contacts with Mr. Murodi. He was in excellent physical condition and he did not like himself in "karate" and "football". Around of 1998-1999, using the IRPT capabilities he came to Tajikistan under the guise of "business", but in fact for conducting his propaganda activities.
Arab-Bashir who brought with him a huge amount of money to Tajikistan and asked to do business. Only the IRPT leadership knew his intention. He was unexpectedly killed near his rented apartment in Dushanbe.
One of the trustworthy students of Bashir was Sobir - the citizen of the Republic of Tajikistan, a former IRPT active member from Sayyod village of Shahritus district. He currently works as a lawyer in Dushanbe city.
The content of your conversation can be explained by the fact that the civil war in Tajikistan was imposed by foreign countries...
The special services of the Islamic Republic of Iran, such as the Ministry of Information, military intelligence, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and others, under the mask of the international organizations "Hiloli Ahmar", "Imdod Khomanai" and others are considered the main designers of the civil war in Tajikistan. They contributed to the overthrow of power in Tajikistan and the creation of an Islamic republic, as well as actively conducted their destructive activities. God is their judge.
What you have said is terrible. Why do you so openly speak? Don't you think about your life, about the life of your kids and your wife, your loved ones?
I understood the content of your words. The IRPT and the Iranian special service do not turn away from anything, nor the murder of a woman, child, sister or brother. The act of their beautiful speaking, which they used, is this. I know that with this interview, I put my life, the life of my loved ones in danger. But there is no other way out. The people of Tajikistan should be aware of this danger and be vigilant. Do they need to understand who is who? To more never were conducted on a deceit and to not destroy their house anymore. In order to never be deceived by unauthorized persons. If the IRPT and Iranian special services call my words "slander", then I myself am a witness, an eyewitness of these Iran's "kindness". There are a hundred witnesses like me. Ask, they are ready to tell you more.
Thank you for expressing the bold and brave views!
Nosirjon Mamurzoda, "Khatlon" newspaper